{"id":13718,"date":"2019-01-25T14:27:26","date_gmt":"2019-01-25T13:27:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.massimonava.it\/?p=13718"},"modified":"2019-01-25T14:30:34","modified_gmt":"2019-01-25T13:30:34","slug":"italie-di-maio-cherche-des-allies-en-france","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.massimonava.it\/?p=13718","title":{"rendered":"Italie: “Di Maio cherche des alli\u00e9s en France”"},"content":{"rendered":"

L’\u00e9ditorialiste Massimo Nava analyse le soutien aux gilets jaunes du gouvernement italien, et singuli\u00e8rement du vice Premier ministre.<\/p>\n

L’EXPRESS. Le vice-Premier ministre italien, Luigi Di Maio, et le ministre de l’Int\u00e9rieur, Matteo Salvini, ont apport\u00e9\u00a0un soutien public au mouvement des Gilets jaunes et \u00e0 sa poursuite. Quelle analyse faites-vous de cette prise de position?<\/p>\n

Massimo Nava. <\/strong>Il s’agit, d’abord et avant tout, de continuer \u00e0 affaiblir le pr\u00e9sident fran\u00e7ais. Ils ne manifestent pas forc\u00e9ment par l\u00e0 leur soutien \u00e0 la plateforme politique des gilets jaunes. Ils instrumentalisent plut\u00f4t ces derniers contre l’ex\u00e9cutif fran\u00e7ais. Au-del\u00e0, sur une sc\u00e8ne plus globale en pleine \u00e9bullition, ils tablent sur le fait que, si Macron et Merkel continuent \u00e0 s’affaiblir, eux vont continuer \u00e0 marquer des points sur la sc\u00e8ne europ\u00e9enne. Ils esp\u00e8rent toujours prendre la t\u00eate de la petite Internationale des populistes. Mais c’est \u00e0 double tranchant…<\/p>\n

Pour ce qui concerne la France?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oui! Car la stabilisation des gilets jaunes, leur cristallisation sous la forme d’un mouvement politique structur\u00e9, c’est-\u00e0-dire ce \u00e0 quoi appelle explicitement le leader de Cinque Stelle<\/a> (M5S) qu’est Di Maio, aurait une contrepartie : diviser le camp populiste fran\u00e7ais et ajouter un troisi\u00e8me acteur, aux d\u00e9pens du Rassemblement national (ex-FN) et de la France insoumise. Paradoxalement, ce fractionnement servirait les int\u00e9r\u00eats de Macron et de son bloc central, europ\u00e9en, plut\u00f4t centriste et lib\u00e9ral.<\/p>\n

La perspective que les gilets jaunes suivent l’exemple italien, et se constituent en formation politique concurrente du Rassemblement national et de la France insoumise, vous parait-elle cr\u00e9dible?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Di Maio est en qu\u00eate d’alliances dans toute l’Europe pour sa formation politique. Il a jet\u00e9 des passerelles avec les Verts danois, par exemple. Il r\u00eave d’un “alli\u00e9 s\u00fbr” chez vous, en France. Il a regard\u00e9, \u00e0 un moment, avec int\u00e9r\u00eat, cette start-up<\/em> politique qu’\u00e9tait En marche ! Historiquement, la gen\u00e8se et le positionnement du mouvement Cinque Stelle n’en font pas, comme la Lega<\/em><\/a>,<\/em> un alli\u00e9 naturel du lep\u00e9nisme, Il doit chercher des alliances dans un autre espace politique, beaucoup plus h\u00e9t\u00e9rog\u00e8ne. En outre, m\u00eame dans sa rh\u00e9torique tr\u00e8s populiste, il n’a jamais donn\u00e9 de justifications \u00e0 la violence. Parmi les soutiens de Cinque Stelle, il y a de nombreux repentis de la gauche et des d\u00e9\u00e7us de Matteo Renzi. Et, plus largement, des gens lass\u00e9s par la “vieille politique”.<\/p>\n

Vous dites que le mouvement Cinque Stelle n’a jamais appel\u00e9 \u00e0 la violence. Mais le slogan “Vaffanculo!” (“Allez-vous faire foutre!”), sur lequel surfait au d\u00e9but le fondateur Beppe Grillo, c’\u00e9tait quand m\u00eame violent, non?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oui, violent, mais verbalement. D\u00e8s le rassemblement monstre de Bologne, il y a dix ans, il s’agissait de vouer l’\u00e9lite, la fameuse casta, <\/em>aux g\u00e9monies. Ils rejetaient l’\u00e9lite pour prendre sa place. Aujourd’hui, Cinque Stelle contr\u00f4le une bonne part des m\u00e9dias (gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 son utilisation tr\u00e8s intelligente d’internet) et essaye de truster les postes dans l’administration, dans une comp\u00e9tition avec la Lega. <\/em>Les tensions entre les deux familles politiques qui composent la coalition s’aiguisent. Et, apr\u00e8s les \u00e9lections europ\u00e9ennes, il y aura sans doute un nouveau gouvernement. Salvini r\u00eave, pour sa part, en l’occurrence, d’\u00e9vincer Cinque Stelle et de prendre la t\u00eate d’un futur gouvernement, flanqu\u00e9 d’un nouvel alli\u00e9.<\/p>\n

Y a-t-il une base sociologique commune entre les gilets jaunes et l’arc h\u00e9t\u00e9roclite des soutiens de Cinque Stelle?<\/strong><\/p>\n

La convergence sociologique est, en effet, tr\u00e8s frappante. Il y a des sociologies parall\u00e8les, celles de la petite bourgeoisie qui redoute le d\u00e9classement. En Italie, c’est le Sud qui a pr\u00e9empt\u00e9 le mouvement de Di Maio \u00e0 cause de ses mesures “sociales”.<\/p>\n

La bataille europ\u00e9enne de juin 2019 est-elle d’ores et d\u00e9j\u00e0 entam\u00e9e?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A l’\u00e9vidence! Emmanuel Macron, au moment de la victoire de la coalition M5S-Lega, avait parl\u00e9 de “peste populiste”. <\/em>Aujourd’hui, Di Maio et Salvini surjouent l’antagonisme avec lui \u00e0 l’approche des \u00e9lections europ\u00e9ennes. Le message qu’ils adressent est tout de m\u00eame d’abord \u00e0 l’intention des Italiens. Ils savent bien que la politique qu’ils m\u00e8nent au sein de la coalition ne leur donne pas forc\u00e9ment satisfaction. Ils veulent agiter sous leurs yeux l'”ennemi” macronien dans l’espoir de les convaincre qu’il existe aussi des situations encore pires que celle de l’Italie. Macron joue donc dans la sc\u00e8ne politique italienne le r\u00f4le commode du bouc \u00e9missaire, contre lequel toutes les parties en pr\u00e9sence sont appel\u00e9es \u00e0 se r\u00e9concilier.<\/p>\n

Ecrivain et \u00e9ditorialiste au Corriere della Sera, Massimo Nava est l’auteur de plusieurs essais et de romans, parmi lesquels Sarkozy, l’homme de fer<\/em>.<\/p>\n

Questa intervista \u00e8 stata pubblicata l’11 gennaio 2019 su L’Express\u00a0<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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